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Post by larsen on Nov 14, 2010 15:53:05 GMT -5
Tyler's been way more than patient with Mirandas continuing bullshit on this temp punksud. There have been so many posts by her which I react to by thinking "Just ban this idiot." After all the time she's spent being a pain in the ass, she posted a link to a little punksud world that she controls now and wants everyone to flock to. Who cares about how it looks, who cares about how it will (and apprently is) dividing the current site.
Would've banned her, Tyler's choice is backed hard.
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Post by brandon on Nov 14, 2010 17:01:55 GMT -5
Miranda is probably one of the stupidest posters on this forum (a highly competitive market these days) however, banning her for posting a website that could be viewed as competitive is just uneccessary and authoritative.
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Post by clayton on Nov 14, 2010 17:20:51 GMT -5
How else could her site be viewed except as competitive with this one? It is basically trying to fill the exact same niche as this site.
I don't think she's as stupid as everyone seems to think she is; she's naive, prone to flights of fancy, and a poor speller (though she's gotten better at spelling), but she's obviously smart enough to recognize the need for a more fully-featured punksud, and she has the determination and skill to carry it out, even if it is half-implemented and uses that rock 'n roll cowboy font.
While she deserves some credit for putting her site together, remember Tyler also deserves respect for what he's already done. When there was no punksud, Tyler went ahead and made one. I think that banning people who are running websites that are trying to destroy what you've created is perfectly acceptable.
Obviously Tyler cares enough to have put this thing together (forgive me if other people have been involved in starting this site too). Even though he's not running this to make a profit, he has just as much right to prevent people from trying to destroy his creation as if he were, and now that she's got her own punksud, the only thing she'd be posting on here would be treatises trying to lure people form this site to hers.
So, what sense would there be in continuing to allow her to post, except from some twisted desire to see her clamour to recruit people to her new site?
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Post by brandon on Nov 14, 2010 17:29:40 GMT -5
How else could her site be viewed except as competitive with this one? It is basically trying to fill the exact same niche as this site. I don't think she's as stupid as everyone seems to think she is; she's naive, prone to flights of fancy, and a poor speller (though she's gotten better at spelling), but she's obviously smart enough to recognize the need for a more fully-featured punksud, and she has the determination and skill to carry it out, even if it is half-implemented and uses that rock 'n roll cowboy font. While she deserves some credit for putting her site together, remember Tyler also deserves respect for what he's already done. When there was no punksud, Tyler went ahead and made one. I think that banning people who are running websites that are trying to destroy what you've created is perfectly acceptable. Obviously Tyler cares enough to have put this thing together (forgive me if other people have been involved in starting this site too). Even though he's not running this to make a profit, he has just as much right to prevent people from trying to destroy his creation as if he were, and now that she's got her own punksud, the only thing she'd be posting on here would be treatises trying to lure people form this site to hers. So, what sense would there be in continuing to allow her to post, except from some twisted desire to see her clamour to recruit people to her new site? Would it really be fair to say that she is out to destroy this website? When one person produces an alternative to an established norm and is ostracized for it I immediately read that as an emotional response that is not grounded on reason.
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Post by larsen on Nov 14, 2010 18:38:48 GMT -5
Would it really be fair to say that she is out to destroy this website? Probably not fair to her to say she wants to destroy this punksud, but it doesn't make a damn bit of sense to have two sites that are serving the same function. If she just wanted to offer suggestions for this site, there's a thread for ideas about this site/the eventual new site. Or, hell, she could message Tyler and ask to get something incorporated. She instead started a new site that she runs and told people to come to.
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Post by clayton on Nov 15, 2010 0:36:40 GMT -5
How else could her site be viewed except as competitive with this one? It is basically trying to fill the exact same niche as this site. I don't think she's as stupid as everyone seems to think she is; she's naive, prone to flights of fancy, and a poor speller (though she's gotten better at spelling), but she's obviously smart enough to recognize the need for a more fully-featured punksud, and she has the determination and skill to carry it out, even if it is half-implemented and uses that rock 'n roll cowboy font. While she deserves some credit for putting her site together, remember Tyler also deserves respect for what he's already done. When there was no punksud, Tyler went ahead and made one. I think that banning people who are running websites that are trying to destroy what you've created is perfectly acceptable. Obviously Tyler cares enough to have put this thing together (forgive me if other people have been involved in starting this site too). Even though he's not running this to make a profit, he has just as much right to prevent people from trying to destroy his creation as if he were, and now that she's got her own punksud, the only thing she'd be posting on here would be treatises trying to lure people form this site to hers. So, what sense would there be in continuing to allow her to post, except from some twisted desire to see her clamour to recruit people to her new site? Would it really be fair to say that she is out to destroy this website? When one person produces an alternative to an established norm and is ostracized for it I immediately read that as an emotional response that is not grounded on reason. It's pretty clear that when you create something that serves the exact same function as something else, and has the exact same name, you're trying to replace what exists already, ultimately destroying it. If she's not trying to replace this punksud with her punksud, what's she trying to do? It makes zero sense to have two sites with the exact same name serving the exact same purpose. Therefore, I'm sticking with my hypothesis until a better one is posited.
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Post by demonica on Nov 15, 2010 3:16:25 GMT -5
But the point is that punksud ISN'T no more. She didn't create what was already there. This proboards is not a real website. It acts like a storm shelter that people use, but it’s not supposed to be a permanent place.
She went out, and made that permanent place for us. Punksud went down a year ago, she created punksud. What if frank made it? Then would you have shut the door on him and said F you frank, we don't want you here, I created punksud now, mine mine mine.
Like I said, in the end, no one wins. This pathetic little war on which punksud succeeds won’t solve anything. You should be focusing on making your scene better, instead of being viewed by the outside world as close minded people.
Your community gets smaller and smaller, and the people on the outside, get larger and larger. They are the ones growing, not you. Not if your ways keep the way they are.
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Post by brandon on Nov 15, 2010 8:32:56 GMT -5
Would it really be fair to say that she is out to destroy this website? When one person produces an alternative to an established norm and is ostracized for it I immediately read that as an emotional response that is not grounded on reason. It's pretty clear that when you create something that serves the exact same function as something else, and has the exact same name, you're trying to replace what exists already, ultimately destroying it. If she's not trying to replace this punksud with her punksud, what's she trying to do? It makes zero sense to have two sites with the exact same name serving the exact same purpose. Therefore, I'm sticking with my hypothesis until a better one is posited. What you've described is not a destruction, but is actually a transition from one administration to another. It would be no different than Frank being an Admin for a period of time and then having Tyler as an Admin. The community remains (relatively conserved) and the purposiveness of the website continues. I do not agree with Miranda being the Admin of anything. I'm just saying it wouldn't be the end of punksud.
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Post by brandon on Nov 15, 2010 8:38:33 GMT -5
Demonica brings up a very valid point. You guy's want your community to grow yet you take every opportunity to behave in as petty as a manner as Tad did. When Tad was posting he discouraged open discourse, he made fun of everyone who joined, and he did so in a fashion that was tantemount to elitism. This is the same way that you guy's are fucking-up now. God I'm glad I turned 19 and can go to the Townehouse because man did you guy's fuck up the underage scene. (This is not pointed at anybody in general but merely at the collective behaviour of everyone in the scene. Of course excluding Clayton, who is always a solid dude)
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Post by will on Nov 15, 2010 14:02:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice. No one here is near the level of antagonism Tad carried, and he wasn't elitist as much as misanthropic considering that he never actually took a consistent side or voiced a personal opinion. It seems everyone is heralding elitism without ever being able to site actual instances or meaningful premises. Are you just generalizing someone's personal dislike of you, or were you actually barred and buffed from contributing in any way?
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